Mr Watkins: We have got a set of industrial laws that are in place in Australia and we have to use those.
Carlton: But they are Howard's WorkChoices laws.
Mr Watkins: Well, until the law is changed, that is the law of the land.
Carlton: And a state Labor government is going to use Howard's WorkChoices legislation to crush a union?
Mr Watkins: I can see you are enjoying this aspect of it.
Carlton: There is a rich irony.